♥ The (Les) Secrets – Ha Sodot / Emeth, de Avi Nesher (2007)

“Vous vous rendez compte de quoi est fait un être humain ? D’obscur, de contradiction, de folie, d’intelligence…Il faut lutter pour le sauvegarder ! (Fanny Ardant)

Fanny ARDANT in the secrets ha sodot

Mes impressions sur ce film sont très intenses……Ce film m’a « impressionnée », dans le sens lumineux du terme. Beaucoup de scènes m’ont marquées, celles des rituels surtout : aboutis, interrompus, « transis »…Ces scènes ont un goût étrange, de beauté et de vérité, douloureuses, infinies absolues et ineffables…qui transcendent les vies humaines en quête de « beauté-vérité » depuis des siècles… Fanny Ardant est touchante, comme d’habitude, mais en particulier dans ce film où on l’a voit sous un nouvel angle cinématographique : Malade, avec le maquillage adéquat… Cette paleur de teint, ces lèvres blanchies, ces cernes foncées, comme des ombres de la mort… Cette vérité « nue » dans le bain de purification…Tout cela fait de l’interprétation de Fanny ARDANT (Anouk) une interprétation vraiment bouleversante. J’ai eu peur lorsque je me suis mise à croire vraiment à son personnage, à n’en plus distinguer La Fanny Ardant de « la femme d’à côté », et des interviews, de celle de « The Secrets »…. …D’un point de vue purement délirant, Anouk (the secrets) aurait d’ailleurs pu incarner le spectre de Mathilde (la femme d’à côté), puisque ces deux personnages ont commis un crime passionnel…Cette pensée aurait-elle effleurée l’esprit d’Avi Nesher ?

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Ci dessous l’interview lumineux de Fanny Ardant + une fiche film complète  (variety.com)

Fanny Ardant, secrets et révélations

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En exclusivité pour «Tribune Juive », l’actrice, qui tourne «Les Secrets» sous la direction d’Avi Nesher en Israël, évoque Golda Meir, Ariel Sharon, les femmes… et le traitement de l’information. Entretien avec Ivan Levaï

 TJ : Vous venez de terminer à Tel-Aviv le tournage du film Les Secrets avec Avi Nesher, l’un des réalisateurs les plus talentueux de la nouvelle vague du cinéma israélien. On lui doit la comédie musicale, La Troupe, aux airs toujours célèbres enIsraël et, plus récemment, le film Au bout du monde à gauche. De quoi s’agit-il cette fois ?

Fanny Ardant : Le scénario d’Avi Nesher raconte l’histoire de deux jeunes filles qui font leurs éudes dans une yéshiva où elles apprennent la Kabbale et le Talmud. Elles vont croiser la route d’une jeune femme qui, après une vie tourmentée et des années de prison pour avoir tué l’homme qu’elle aimait, est venue à Safed chercher la purification et obtenir le pardon de Dieu. Les deux jeunes filles vont l’aider dans son itinéraire spirituel pour, qu’à sa mort, Dieu la reconnaisse. .
TJ :
Et c’est vous qui incarnez la meurtrière ?
F. A. : , mais on ne voit pas mon crime dans le film. L’histoire commence au moment où j’arrive à Safed et je demande à un rabbin de m’aider et de me guider dans la voie du pardon.
TJ :
Vous aviez idée de la vie dans une yéshiva ou vous avez découvert cet univers si particulier ?
F. A. : C’est un monde que je n’ignorais pas grâce aux livres, ceux d’Isaac Bashevis Singer singulièrement. Je savais donc ce qu’était une yéshiva, et ce monde où des êtres dédient leur vie à l’étude de la parole de Dieu. Je ne connaissais pas tout mais je possédais l’essentiel.
TJ :
Crime, religion, purification… C’est un personnage douloureux qu’on vous fait jouer là.
F. A. : C’est vrai. Mais cette femme, qui regrette beaucoup des choses qu’elle a faites, ne regrettera jamais l’amour fou qu’elle a eu pour cet homme. Et il y aura échange croisé entre les jeunes filles qui vont lui apprendre les rituels du pardon et mon personnage qui va leur transmettre l’amour de la vie.
TJ :
De là, j’imagine, toutes les cérémonies : shabbat, Yom Kippour ?
F A : Non, pas précisément. Le film met en scène les rituels de la purification par l’eau, par le feu, et les prières spécifiques qui les accompagnent. Et tout cela donne à la femme une sorte d’authenticité de vie. Je devrais dire de ses vies, religieuse, spirituelle, amoureuse, sexuelle, pour aboutir à une vision très complète, très harmonique de l’existence.
TJ :
Rôle paradoxal pour vous, dont l’image n’est pas précisément celle d’une janséniste !
F. A : Vous savez, une vraie religion pratiquée au nom de Dieu, de l’amour et des êtres qui peuplent cette terre, c’est parfaitement intemporel. Dieu n’est lié ni à l’ancienneté ni à la modernité. La religion a quelque chose d’éternel.
TJ :
Seriez-vous mystique ?
F. A. : Je le suis, en effet.
TJ :
Connaissiez-vous Israël avant d’y séjourner cet hiver ?
F. A. : Je suis venue plusieurs fois à Jérusalem. Et j’ai déjà tourné un film ici il y a quelques années, à l’époque de la première guerre contre l’Irak. C’était en 1991, je crois.
TJ :
Et vous vous y retrouvez, au moment où le Premier ministre Ariel Sharon se meurt, où les élections se préparent, et le Hamas vient, à la surprise générale, de triompher du Fatah. Avez-vous le temps de vous intéresser à ce qui se passe autour de vous et trouvez-vous le pays calme ou très agité ?
F. A. : Étrangement calme, justement. Pardonnez-moi, mais je constate qu’il y a toujours un grand décalage entre ce que racontent les journaux et la vraie vie. D’un côté, des reportages plus ou moins sensationnels et, de l’autre, la vie quotidienne des gens, qui est tellement différente de ce que l’on peut lire. Dans les reportages, on focalise sur les grands événements mais la vraie vie, avec ses implications humaines et ses réalités, est plus forte. Mais celle-là, vous le savez bien, ne s’inscrit jamais dans un journal.
TJ :
Vous avez tourné à Safed, au nord d’Israël, près de la frontière libanaise, avec ses populations mêlées, ses artistes, dans un monde où Arabes israéliens et Juifs se côtoient pacifiquement ?
F. A. : Oui, c’est vrai, Safed est hors du monde. Et c’est parce que je viens d’y travailler que je me méfie de l’information. Avant de venir ici, j’étais en Russie et, à mon arrivée, on m’a dit : « La France est à feu et à sang, les voitures sont incendiées dans les banlieues. » J’ai réagi plutôt vivement : « Mais pas du tout ! Ce sont les  reportages qui grossissent les faits et les théâtralisent. »
Quand on est sur place, on donne aux événements leur juste dimension. Cette année, en Israël, je ne me suis jamais sentie autant en sécurité.
TJ : Je partage ce sentiment…
F. A. : On n’a pas l’impression d’être dans un pays qui va mal. Et je ne vois pas un policier à chaque coin de rue, comme à Paris. Certains prétendent qu’il y aurait un policier pour trois habitants en France. Si c’est le cas, c’est beaucoup.
TJ :
Il y a tout de même l’armée qui patrouille aux frontières et, dans les lieux publics, des civils très vigilants.
F. A. : Mais c’est la routine. On montre le coffre de sa voiture, on se signale en entrant à l’hôtel, on n’ouvre pas sa porte à n’importe qui. C’est comme vous le dites, de la vigilance.
TJ :
Certes, mais vous êtes une star et les gens vous reconnaissent.
F. A. : Je pense que les Israéliens connaissent surtout le cinéma français.
TJ :
Ne me dites pas qu’ici vous êtes anonyme ?
F. A. : Je le suis toujours. Ce n’est pas propre à Israël. On est anonyme dès que les lumières d’un plateau s’éteignent.
TJ : 
Et que pensez-vous de l’« explosion » nouvelle du cinéma israélien ?
F. A. : C’est un cinéma très intéressant. Je profite d’ailleurs de mon séjour pour voir de nombreux films, Pork and Milk, Nina’s tragedies

TJ :
Le film Les Tragédies de Nina, de Savi Gabison, était à l’affiche du dernier Festival du film israélien à  Paris. Il a obtenu un tel succès qu’il mériterait de trouver un distributeur en France.
F. A. : Moi aussi, j’ai adoré ce film. C’est une sorte d’Almodovar israélien. Et également Prendre femme et Mariage tardif
. J’ai trouvé ces films très personnels avec une vision d’Israël qui n’est pas celle du conflit israélo-palestinien. Il y a de vraies histoires d’amour, de vrais chagrins, des vies de famille. C’est cela aussi le cinéma. Il n’y a pas que le contexte politique qui vaille la peine d’être montré.
TJ :
Bref, selon vous, la vitalité de la société israélienne se mesure aussi à l’écran ?
F. A. : Ce n’est pas nouveau mais beaucoup semblent l’ignorer. Comme si on voulait réduire l’impact d’un pays à une seule réalité. On a trop tendance à simplifier.
TJ :
En quelle langue tournez-vous Les Secrets, ce film qui, à l’origine, devait s’appeler La Vérité ?
F. A. : En français et en hébreu phonétique.
 
TJ :
Et pour les rituels, dont vous n’êtes pas familière, est-ce que c’est difficile ?
F. A. : Pas du tout. C’est facile. Avi Nesher aime les acteurs et sait exactement ce qu’il veut. Et moi, ça me plaît.
TJ :
Si j’ai bien compris, il n’y a pas d’homme dans le film ?
F. A. : Non, pas d’homme.
TJ :
Et pas de scènes d’effusions non plus ?
F.A. : Non. C’est dommage !
TJ :
Vous avez parlé de l’eau tout à l’heure, de la purification, du bain rituel… Alors, on vous voit….
F. A. : Au mikvé
.
TJ :
On vous y trempe jusqu’à la racine des cheveux ?
F. A. : Ah ! vous savez cela !
TJ :
Cela vous étonne ?
F. A. : Non, non. Mais vous avez dit jusqu’à la racine des cheveux et c’est cela qui est important pour que la purification soit complète. Pour qu’elle vous enveloppe.
TJ :
Mais au-delà de ces rituels, quel est votre sentiment sur le statut de la femme juive ?
F. A. : J’ai beaucoup de mal justement à avoir un avis sur la position de la femme selon les règles de la religion. Pour moi, chaque femme est singulière. Comment vous expliquer ? Ce sont des individus. Je ne crois pas aux groupes de femmes. Je crois à des destins féminins. Alors, il y a sûrement, comme partout, des femmes écrasées et des femmes fortes. Mais rappelons- nous qu’Israël est le premier pays qui, au XX
e siècle, a donné le pouvoir à une femme : Golda Meir. Le pouvoir des femmes dépend aussi des hommes. Vous pouvez avoir des pères, des grands-pères, des frères, des maris magnifiques. Et puis, vous pouvez tomber sur des abrutis. Mais ce n’est pas propre à Israël, ni à je ne sais quelle société. C’est la nature humaine. Je ne connais pas suffisamment le statut de la femme juive, mais j’ai rencontré ici des femmes incroyablement fortes, avec des personnalités marquées, qui se débrouillent fort bien.
TJ : À votre retour en France, vous croiserez forcément des gens moins informés que vous de la situation  au Proche-Orient… À ce propos, avez-vous le sentiment que le racisme et l’antisémitisme travaillent notre pays ?
F. A. : Je ne sais pas, mais je souffre surtout de l’orientation de l’information. J’ignore d’où cela vient, mais cela m’inquiète. Personnellement, je n’ai jamais été en butte à des propos antisémites. En revanche, la politique contre Israël m’a toujours choquée. J’y vois comme une sorte de bonne conscience que je ne parviens pas à comprendre. Moi, j’aime beaucoup Israël. Je suis pro-Israël. Et je trouve l’information sur le Proche-Orient plutôt partiale. Est-ce du conformisme ? Est-ce la volonté stupide d’« ouvrir des portes ouvertes ». Jamais une information intéressante. Jamais… Pourtant, Ariel Sharon est un homme magnifique, or tout le monde lui a craché dessus. Il a fait des choses admirables, on l’a traîné dans la boue, on l’a diabolisé. C’est incompréhensible !
TJ :
On lui devra peut-être la paix.
F. A. : Voilà ! Vous savez, je ne suis pas du tout politisée. Je ne lis guère les journaux et je regarde peu la télévision. Mais, finalement, les choses importantes surnagent. Et parmi elles, il y a de quoi me mettre très en colère contre le traitement de l’information.
TJ :
Quand, dans quelques mois, le film sortira sur les écrans, vous allez étonner beaucoup de monde. Il y aura sans doute des gens pour dire : « Tiens, Fanny Ardant en femme juive. Comme c’est bizarre !»
F. A. : Et non, justement ! L’habileté, l’intelligence d’Avi Nesher, c’est que je ne suis pas juive. Et que la grande force de son film tient dans l’attitude des deux jeunes filles de la yéshiva. Elles commettent presque une faute en purifiant une femme qui n’est pas juive.
TJ :
Ah bon ! C’est interdit ?
F. A : Je joue une goy. Et c’est magnifique puisque cela revient à dire : « Allez, de toute façon, Dieu est au-dessus de nous et nous voit. »
T.J. :
Cela me rappelle Amos Oz. Il imagine Dieu croisant un quidam à Jérusalem, qui lui demande : « Quelle est la bonne religion ? » Dieu lui répond : « Vous savez, je ne m’occupe pas des religions, je me soucie des hommes. »
F. A. : C’est génial ça ! Cela prouve qu’en cherchant Dieu ou son salut, qui n’est pas une notion juive, on peut trouver la rédemption. La recherche de la pureté et de l’honnêteté nous fait parler le même langage. Dans ce cas, on se comprend tout de suite. C’est quand on veut autre chose que commencent les oppositions.
 

+  Fiche FILM

With an exotic Jewish subculture, a French star and a lesbian love affair, Avi Nesher’s « The Secrets » would appear to have all the art cinema demographic bases covered. Part of a stream of Israeli films treating the country’s Orthodox community with an alternately critical and sympathetic liberal-feminist point of view, drama about a group of Kabbalah students caring for an outcast is excessively overwrought and drawn out. Serious topics risk tilting into unintended comedy, and it’s unclear if the intended auds will tolerate the entire package, pointing to mixed commercial results.

As Naomi (Ania Bokstein) mourns her mother, she also is extremely wary of the prospect of marrying Michael (Guri Alfi), an off-putting, stern rabbinical student. Raised in the strictest possible religious climate by her father, Rabbi Hess (Sefi Rivlin), Naomi is an exceptionally gifted student of the Torah who, inconveniently, is female, and thus doomed to a purely domestic life under the culture’s hardline divisions of gender responsibilities.

She persuades her elders to send her to the Daat Emet seminary for women in the hilly burg of Safed, an ancient spot of reclusion for followers of mystical Judaism.

Unfortunately, because Nesher isn’t an especially interesting visualist, Naomi’s move to this otherworldly place of narrow cobble-stoned streets echoing with prayer chants and klezmer music isn’t the transporting film experience one would want.

Naomi settles in with roomies Sheine (Talli Oren), concerned mostly with her weight, and Sigi (Dana Ivgy), whose newness to the faith leads her to become an extremely fervent student. Wild card is new student Michelle (Michal Shtamler), fresh from Lyon and reeking of cigarette smoke and the kind of Gallic attitude that’s less borne out of character and more the stuff of cultural cliche by screenwriters Nesher and Hadar Galron.

The young women are assigned to deliver regular care packages to the mysterious and lonely Anouk (Fanny Ardant), a French woman who lives across the lane.

The secrets of the title soon come tumbling out in the form of Anouk’s colorful, erotic and tragic past. Certain that they have a fine candidate for a Tikkun, or cleansing ritual in the Kabbalistic practice, Naomi and Michelle guide Anouk through various exercises including immersion in a hot bath, which have the inadvertent result of getting the two young women all worked up about each other.

While their ensuing love affair may come out of their culture’s tendency to separate men from women — and women’s inevitable sense of solidarity with one another under such conditions — it simply doesn’t work in the film at hand, despite the best efforts of Bokstein and Shtamler in thoughtfully shaded perfs.

Several other pairings of characters are even less plausible.

Pic never seems to end, with Anouk’s drama pushed to the background and replaced by the Naomi-Michelle melodrama. Production is clean but cinematically undistinguished, with a certain tourist appeal to Safed location lensing.

216 Réponses à “♥ The (Les) Secrets – Ha Sodot / Emeth, de Avi Nesher (2007)”

  1. JEROCCA dit :

    tell me tell me more what did Anouk told when the two girls carring food to her place/Why she keep those painting/The secrets are? /The boy came but nobody seen but only her was her son? or?

  2. cinemavie dit :

    [Oh ! Happy New Year ! ]

    1/ Well, the two girls (u want Noemi and michelle ?) knocking at the door :
    Michelle « Ah! we already met ?! »
    FA « In the square, I think, yes… »
    Michelle « we are carrying you food… »
    [In the house ]
    FA « Want you a cup of tea ? All is cacher, I’m vegetarian »
    Michelle « Yes »… »You are living here for a long time ? »
    FA « 2 months..But a long time ago I was living with someone. We were living in the artists quarter (area?)
    [Anouk has a distress]
    FA: « She is praying for me ? » … « Merci ».
    Michelle: Sorry, where are the w.c ?
    FA : To the left; sorry it doesn’t have door…That is remained of the prison…
    [she open the radio we can hear "non, tu n'as rien fait de mal": "♪ No you don't make evil... ♫ ]
    [Now Anouk is smoking]
    Michelle : You are allowed ?
    FA : Since the doctor has seen I have a cancer in more of my cardiac problem he said that I could make what I want…When god is angry, he is really angry.

    2/ She kept the paintings (Which was the Joseph’s last paintings of Anouk, and which he left to a gallery ) until she find the way to the forgiveness, the « purifcation »…She says « I wanted to throw them but I hadn’t succeeded I do not know why »
    Those paintings are a key in the film : a girl (michelle) when she see the paintings said « In this painting one would say that he hurts you… but your face expresses ecstasy, excitment » Fanny answers « The body have its own life, one cannot always dominate it…Joseph said I detested my body; I have the feeling it secrets somethings… »

    3/ The Anouk’s son was an « hallucination »…

  3. JEROCCA dit :

    Dear lili…You do clear my doubt…Anouk is in a contradiction of love (maybe we can said so) And those unclearstories maybe the purpose of the film maker..that’s why named » the secrets »… I will watch it
    again n learn more…

  4. JEROCCA dit :

    ps..Happy Chinese New Year to you lol

  5. cinemavie dit :

    Yes,the secrets of…passion.
    I have this sentence in my head after watching the secrets :
    « Vous vous rendez compte de quoi est fait un être humain ? D’obscur, de contradiction, de folie, d’intelligence…Il faut lutter pour le sauvegarder ! (Fanny Ardant)

  6. JEROCCA dit :

    Dear lili..is the last Dialogue from the film 2?good ending .I like the  » When god is angry then he’s really angry/I have the feeling it secrets somethings/That is remainded of the prison…with in your text. See she would rather to stay at a place for the former prison even though she’s out of the jail.She seems herself a crime still..she paid the debt of Moral but not yet the Psychological…After all she’s willing to suffer what she done n no regrets…Happy but (and ) suffers…The soundtrack is so beautiful…especial while those girls singing… ps…Today is the Chinese new Year’s eve^^

  7. JEROCCA dit :

    ps I was right at the guess he’s her son ^^

  8. cinemavie dit :

    Jerocca :

    No, the citation comes from an interview…I don’t remember which one :s

    Yes, I’m totally agree AGAIN (:)), she hasn’t « pay » the Psychological debt, that’s exactly (probably) why she still suffers and she is searching for a form of peace. She wonders herself the reasons, she know she don’t regret, but she is still wondering about this love, this murder… (« why ? » etc…)

    I think the same about the soundtrack !!!!!! The youngs’s sings are so divines and pures ! Melody rests me in the head after the film !

  9. Mily Ardant dit :

    Very Happy Chinese Year Dear Girls !!! el 7, non, the great chinese day? the subjects that the film treats are very deep and each person will think different from each subject. Much more within the orthodox Jewish community… mmm, muy difícil !!. I I don’t understand why Fanny falls to the floor, as soon as one of the girls gets angry. Grrr !! What Fanny said or why girls fights?
    Abrazos Bigs!!

  10. cinemavie dit :

    Mily :
    Happy Chinese year to you !
    The girl (Noemi) was angry because she know the Anouk’s past, and she don’t want to help her at the beginning, she must be afraid.
    Anouk falls because she is suffering from cancer and cardiacs problems…

    Un abrazo les filles !

  11. JEROCCA dit :

    Dear all
    Seem there’s the endless discussion with  » the secrets’ which mean fine ^^Felt a little bit sorry about the others girls in the film coz we all don’t care much about them or stories.Something interesting in the beginning of the film .Anouk search for help and the old man said no,impossible.goodbye..(in English )but FA still continues her request in rench.They are two very interesting contradistinction.And touching women or the person out of the jail seems a crime to Isreal male? (see…those girls didn’t act the same as the old man after realized her past..but only one over react at the last ceremony as Mily metions with …and Yes ,today’s the first day of Chinese New Year …we all in the holiday ( for more than a week) lalala

  12. cinemavie dit :

    ☺And « The secrets » created impassioned discussions…Aha. About the man whom refused to help anouk, in an interview Fanny said  » dans le film je ne suis pas juive. Et la grande force du film tient dans l’attitude des deux jeunes filles de la yéshiva. Elles commettent presque une faute en purifiant une femme qui n’est pas juive.
    TJ : Ah bon ! C’est interdit ?
    F. A : Je joue une goy. Et c’est magnifique puisque cela revient à dire : « Allez, de toute façon, Dieu est au-dessus de nous et nous voit. »

    ☺ »Lalala »♫. Yes, « lalala » for you !!! Grrr Lucy girrrrl. So you are studying (too). In what ?

  13. Mily dit :

    The girl angry isn’t Noemi !! la scène est: les deux protagonistes (Noemi et Michelle) et deux autres filles, une de cheveux rouges et une autre très maigre, elle la crie à Fanny, elle veut voler quelque chose à Fanny de ses mains, un livre, la torá hypothétiquement. Anouk tombe au sol, donc tombe la fille de cheveux rouges. It isn’t la scene when Anouk died !!

    Chuik for all filles !!!

  14. cinemavie dit :

    Ok Mily, je vois maintenant de quelle scène tu parles (ma scène préférée avec les chants magnifiques et la dispute entre Fanny et une des 4 filles).
    Cette jeune fille interrompt le rituel lorsqu’elle entend Anouk dire « quand au fait d’avoir ôté une vie, je ne ressens pas le besoin de demander pardon pour cela…c’est l’amour et…Je ne regrette rien »
    La fille se met en colère car elle a compris que Anouk ne regrettais pas son geste. Elle se dispute en hébreux – français, elle dit « c’est pas l’amour ! pas bien ! non ! toi regrettes tout dit que tu regrette tout !  » Anouk lui dit « je pourrais dire que je regrettes, mais ce ne serais pas vrai et le but c’est de dire la vérité n’est ce pas ? Dieu.. »
    La fille : « Non, ne dit pas Dieu ! Ne parle pas de Dieu! » Elle lui arrache le livre sacré des mains.
    A lot of « chuik chuik » :D

  15. JEROCCA dit :

    Go, anyway, God is above us and sees us

    Chuik means the sound of kiss??
    HAHA

    chuik zillions ^^

    When Aunok is dying,she holds two girls’ hands n said?(…)
    I wondering why the girl Michelle wanna marry a guy in a rush?
    The lean girl ( which angry with Anouk’s confession)took Michelle to somewhere in the beginning n why?
    To have some fresh air? ( then she met her future husband)
    Why Aunok following them? What did they talk?(Did she hear something while they passing by her house?)

    Still couldn’t found any detail of the songs they sing ( no soundtrack/ no nothing lol…sad)
    As you said…those notes keep going even the story was end (which is not end actually coz we’re all here discussing ^^) The singing went through the souls …

  16. cinemavie dit :

    whoah. c’est beau !

    Donc,
    ► »When Anouk is dying, she holds two girls’ hands n said?(…) »

    So saaaaad ! it makes me cry ! Rm, well, they say :
    Anouk  » Ne partez pas… » (Don’t leave me)
    Michelle : « Nous sommes là près de toi, avec toi » (we are here, near to you, with you )
    Anouk « Dieu n’est plus fâché contre moi mes enfants, mes chéries…Merci… » (God isn’t angry against me any more now, my children, my darlings, thank you…)

    ► The lean girl ( which angry with Anouk’s confession)took Michelle to somewhere in the beginning n why?

    Because the other girls didn’t want Michelle smokes in the bedroom.

    ►Why Aunok following them? What did they talk?(Did she hear something while they passing by her house?)

    Yes, Anouk has heard Michelle, the first school’s day; Michelle was phoning to an uncle:
    « Je ne vois vraiment pas pourquoi je dois rester un an dans ce trou perdu ! Tu sais tonton, non seulement on étudie pendant des heures mais en plus on fait la cuisine ! Et on distribue à manger…Faut pas exagérer ! »
    (I don’t know why I have to stay in the sticks. You know uncle ? Not only whe are studying for hours, but also we are cooking ! and carrying food ! )
    Then Anouk know Michelle is « different », « open » maybe, she thinks also she can help her…

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    Michelle : You speak french ?
    Anouk : I come from Paris, and you?
    M : De Lyon (France), du moins ces dernières années
    A: You are here for holidays (^^) ?
    M : Non, I studying here…
    A : Mais, vous étudiez quoi ici ? à devenir une bonne épouse ( become a good wife) et une bonne mère (good mother) comme le veulent les lois religieuses ? (like the religious laws want ?)
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    A : I ask you about that because when I was in Asphate (asfat? where is this city?) many years ago, there isn’t school for the girls after le lycée…
    M : Nous étudions la Torah, le Telmud, exactement comme les hommes
    A : Mais I thought orthodoxe men don’t allowed women to study le Telmud an becoming goo Rabbin…Comme les catholiques et les orthodoxes : ils préféraient keep the power to them…?
    M : sure, it’s a revolution
    A: So you are studying…like rabbins ? »

    Now Anouk knows that the girl can help her, because she learns Telmud and Torah like rabbins…(the one at the beginning whom refused to help Anouk).

    ►I wondering why the girl Michelle wanna marry a guy in a rush?
    I wondering to…Love, probably.^^

    Hope it’s Okay !
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  17. JEROCCA dit :

    lucky me…Now I totally understood all the  » Ha-sodot » lol…I see now.In the reason why they have to go that small town coz most of the places didn’t allow girls to study Telmud and Torah .And there’s a new start …maybe they help Anouk is a new start for Telmud and Torah too.(Things’ changing)By the way ,Is  » Ha-sodot » on the market in France too? or Dvd yet?I’d heard Fanny shot « Icha Zara » (direct by Michal Bat Adam )in Isreal too.No idea what Icha Zara about. Only know  » Zara » as clothes ^^

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  18. cinemavie dit :

    Coucou Jerocca : I have just find that « Isha Zara » is the israelien title of « La femme du déserteur » (1992 ou 1993) du réalisateur M.Bat Adam.
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  19. bruno dit :

    coucou ! où as tu vu ce film ? en france ?

  20. cinemavie dit :

    Coucou Bruno :
    J’ai vu ce film chez moi, en VO (hébreu-français).
    Comme tu le sais, The secrets n’est pas disponible sur le marché Français. Pour nous qui achetons tous les DVD des films avec Fanny Ardant c’est toujours plus difficile de les acquérir ceux là… Je ne sais pas quand il sera exploité en france (ni si il le sera un jour). Je pense qu’on peut le commander en Israel par internet (?). Mais le moyen le plus simple reste le téléchargement (la mule).
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  21. JEROCCA dit :

    Lili Lili

    WOwow you do found the information n corrected it
    Well..I do wondering was she mention  » Icha Zara  » coz it will rewrite n reshoot (or she actually got the wrong data ) Anyway I update the information which you gave me (happy…)(You’re an expert )

    PS..so both of us got the  » Ha- sodot  » by Emule way?
    (shame on me…but it seems the fastest way here )

  22. cinemavie dit :

    Coucou paparazzi associate ;)

    Hope the link to downloading « la femme du déserteur » will be ok for TW too (? I wondering !); you have to pay, so I don’t know at allll how does it work for TW ????!?!

    Yes both of us are « shameful but.. » …so happy :P

  23. JEROCCA dit :

    HAHA…

    I can see the link of payant
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    ^^

    I coudln’t help but laugh still

  24. Fanny dit :

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  25. JEROCCA dit :

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    Pass it forward

    ………………………….

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    2.What’s bothering you recently ?
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    3.Will you tell the one ( who you crush on ) that your love him/her …or not?
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    4.Tired of ?
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    5.Wanna cherish the most is ?
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    6.Love or to be love ?
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    7.What do you want the most ?
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    9. The most romantic thing you done beofre?
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    10.Your favoirte pet is …why ?
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    11.How long will it take to get over the upset with your better half ?
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    12. Do you think that the results of scientific research can be believed and why?
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    13.Back to ten years ago, what will you change ?
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    14.What do you wanna do the most at break ?
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    15. After 10 year ,what kind of life do you wanna have and how?
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    16. Where do you wanna go the most ?
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    17. Where do you wanna live the most ?
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    18. What make you happy recently?
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    19. What you hate the most of yourself ?
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    20. Your favoirte type of food is and why?
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    …………………………….

    Then I order

    Mily/Lili/Ani/Coco/Bruno/Chris/…
    all the people who see this

    Please answer 19 questions above
    And add your own quesiton and answer it also

    Please come to my blog and tell me you finish them all

    Found 8 more people

    Go to their blog

    Invite them to join this

    Pass it forward ………

    http://www.wretch.cc/blog/jerocca&article_id=13915185

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